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Nothing strengthens impunity so much as silence and fear

To sin by silence, when we should protest, Makes cowards out of men.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox

 

IEBC Protest 2016

The price of free speech; blood and tears.

 

Kenyans, they say we are the most optimistic people in the world, maybe so, because even I thought we had learnt from PEV and never again wasn’t just another cliche. I was very optimistic about 2017, not anymore. Now I sit here wondering whether it will be best to be near the Uganda border immediately after voting.

Going by what I saw yesterday, our uniformed forces clobbering civilians senseless and even shooting protesters in the back (as happened in Kisumu and in slums in 2007/8) is clearly something that can happen again and that if nothing changes we should brace for.

I have heard all the arguments to justify both the protests and the conduct of the police, and I have come to one conclusion: on which side the law and right falls depends on which tribe the person commenting belongs to most of the time.

Thugs who infiltrated a lawful protest are being described as CORD supporters by Jubilee supporters, outlaw rogue police who waded into crowds with “jembe” stumps and bludgeoned everyone in sight are being defended as acting with reasonable restraint by government supporters; in the meantime pockets of CORD supporters saw it fit to attend a peaceful protest armed with stones and other projectiles, some of them saw it fit to try and uproot a railway line later on in the evening. All worryingly reminiscent of the spontaneous chaos nine years ago.

We are in trouble. I don’t think the country has ever been this divided and most people this blind to their own prejudices, or perhaps everyone is fully aware of the chasm and are choosing to deliberately walk on the edge of this blade.

In the meantime, our names continue to betray us.

“with the police doing all the killing, who do we call when our hero’s are the villain”
― O.S. Hickman 

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Every time you mistreat a woman, you give up the right to be treated like a man

“A woman brought you into this world. So you have no right to disrespect her.”
~ Tupac Amaru Shakur

women-equality-oppressed

The late John Njoroge Michuki, in what was viewed as an inadvertent residual kowtowing to and hearkening to outmoded colonial attitudes towards ‘natives’, once justified the government’s need to limit freedoms because ‘The African mind does not accept authority.’

Sometimes you have to wonder if he, and the colonial vassals that influenced his parochial self-deprecating world view, didn’t have a point. Sometimes we put on spectacles that call into question both the sanity and intelligence of every single one of us that inhabit this beautiful continent, a continent that most of us would prefer wouldn’t be termed a dark continent but the actions of a few vindicate those who paint us with this broad derogatory brush.

There’s a truly disturbing and unconscionable video that has been doing the rounds in Kenya lately showing a bunch of clearly worthless ogling male Embassava touts taunting and groping women they have forcibly undressed. What crime have these women committed to deserve such a harrowing and undignified public disrobing you might ask; well it is apparently because they wore skirts that the said sad excuses for men deemed to be too short for their liking. Never mind that these men do not know who these women are, and as a matter of fact there’s not a single justification I can even thing of for such an act of gender-based violence and blatant misogyny. This is bullshit, it’s crap, it’s not acceptable in civilized society.

Those men, if they can even be called that, are to me nothing but perverts looking for kicks, bastards who have to look for excuses to rip the clothes off passersby to get the fix their wretched lives cannot get by any other means. These men are nothing but wankers that should be getting the shaft in Kamiti Maximum Prison if it were up to me. I can imagine how pleased they’d be having hardened criminals disrobe them when they drop the soap.

But seriously let’s have some respect for women and girls regardless of how they choose to dress or walk or live their lives, it’s the least we can do for what are our sisters, cousins, aunties, mothers and daughters. Every single one of those women subjected to the pain of a butt-naked walk of shame down streets full of staring men has a family that deserves better than the humiliation of a person they love and respect.
Frankly the actions of the men in our society who think the appropriate action to take when we see women dressed in ways we don’t agree with is to have them stripped bare is to say the least a sign of our own immaturity, intolerance, ignorance and perversion. And this rubs off on all of us and bathes us all in the pungent fumes of sexism.

In the words of Barbara Boxer: “More than anything, I think as our country matures, we recognize that women deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.”

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We fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them.

Homophobia: The fear by straight men that another man could treat them like they have been treating women. 
gay-cartoon

Not to reduce a complex issue to just a punchline, but it has to some extent said to be true that the fear of the LGBT community and their increasing public profile locally, as witnessed recently by the coming out of renowned Kenyan writer Binyavanga, has something to do with the fear of the typical Kenyan male of sexual harassment (as much as this is itself actually a very remote possibility).

While there are certainly a lot of people who feel strongly about the issue because of their religious upbringing or an assumption of a cultural taboo on such matters, there is also a strong constituency that will readily confess that their fear is exposure of themselves and their children to what they consider a fearful prospect of being ‘recruited’ or wooed by a person of the same gender.

I have as such been asking myself what it is that terrifies the typical straight african man the most about revelations by persons in our midst that they are not straight, that they do not share the same values that are assumed the norm? Finally I came to a point where I singled out that one of the issues is a morbid fear of what we don’t understand and the real possibility of being in circumstances where we are facing this complex matter of sexuality head on, and worse a possibility that it will not be on our own terms or with our explicit consent.

I have tried to recall numerous discussions I have held with friends and colleagues on the issue at hand and I finally came to the realization that a lot of men live in fear of the possibility of another man making a pass at them, that they imagine the horror of a possibly bigger and stronger individual harassing them verbally or even touching them inappropriately (as it is claimed happens in some clubs known to be haunts of the gay underground and in which a typical conservative Kenyan male might have strayed into).

The interesting part is that women have had to deal with this sort of scenario (fear of unwanted advances) from the time they are teenagers, during young adulthood and even when married, it just never stops. When a man tries to chat up a girl he’s never met, say at a bus stop, she always has to be on her guard because he can be either of two things: a harmless stranger or a potential rapist. We men are finally realizing how difficult being left alone can be, and we are using all sorts of arguments (religious, moral, law) to mask our fear.

It is with such a realization, that women have been having it this hard, that I believe we can both appreciate how tough our sisters have it while at the same time acknowledging that the world we live in is different from the past and far from idea and as such we just have to overcome our own petty fears and learn to live with people who have either made different choices or who were born different. After all prejudice and bigotry are learned rather than traits we are born with.

“The sad truth about bigotry is that most bigots either don’t realize that they are bigots, or they convince themselves that their bigotry is perfectly justified.” 

― Wayne Gerard Trotman

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From the crypt of shocking ideas: Consider Ending Universal Suffrage

Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
~ George Bernard Shaw

What is the point of decreeing Governors should have University degrees (and MPs and Senators too; before the sneaky exemption made at the last minute by MPs to void the requirements for this general election) if at the end of the day everyone, including those that are completely illiterate, is allowed to vote?

If the argument is that people without a tertiary education are not capable of leading (and are in fact forbidden by law from trying), how then are the same people proscribed as incapable of leadership supposed to have the competence to choose leaders? It is almost like being forbidden to cook (and eat), but then being told to choose the best cook?

Maybe we should just throw out all pretence and state that only those meeting the requirements to run for a position should have the right to vote for that position. Of course that runs counter to rights of universal suffrage. Therefore we should just cut the charade and allow anyone, regardless of academic credentials, to run for any office.

Come March 5th, Nairobi will be in the hands Sonko or Wanjiru and most likely Clifford Waititu. So much for constitutional requirements…..

PS. I came across this on CNBC.com where a somebody in attendance at the Aspen Ideas Conference wrote this:

Fortunately, one speaker shattered that fear when he presented his big idea: abandoning our enthusiasm for universal suffrage.

I’m sorry to report that I did not catch his name. I’ll try to track him down for a proper interview later in the festival.

His argument had two parts. The first was that some people simply are not ready for democracy. They have no functional conception of the state in their minds, much less an understanding of representative, deliberative democracy. Some are so poor that they can be bribed to vote this way or that for “five dollars,” he said. The application of the principle of universal suffrage was not a recipe for successful government in these circumstances, the speaker argued.

The second point of his argument was that the developed Western democracies did not start out with universal suffrage. Almost all allowed only a portion of their citizens to vote at first, only slowly expanding the right to participate in elections over the course of decades. Why force the developing world into instant universal suffrage?

This pretty much runs against the grain of everything decent and serious people think. In fact, in a place like Aspen — which is dominated by progressives of various sorts — it felt like he was standing athwart history yelling “Go back!”

So what should replace the model of universal suffrage? How do we decide who should get the franchise?

The anti-universal suffrage guy didn’t have the answers to those questions. But just because an answer isn’t at hand doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask the question. Perhaps if people started taking them seriously, we’d be at the beginning of something truly new in world politics.”

Link to complete article

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Do we have a construction industry or a criminal enterprise?

Kenyans, at least most of them, have no respect or see no need for professionals; this is hardly surprising given the impecunious life of struggle and want led by the majority of the hoi polloi, and contrasted with a life of hedonistic pursuit and unbridled licentiousness led by the thieving upper class. Somewhere in the middle of the two lies the professional, who is in a constant battle to maintain a façade of being in a pseudo middle-class, while being viewed by the proletariat as a snobbish intellectual who is stuck in an ivory tower, and being seen as nothing more than a pesky enabler to the rich kleptocrats that pay for him to afford a suit and a tie.

This I say as one who has seen clients shocked that architectural fees are pegged to a percentage of the total cost of a project, and this by law not whim. You see the mentality in this country, and a lot of the neglected backwaters of the planet, is that it makes sense to pay for tangible goods, bricks and mortar so to speak, and not for services or intellectual property. Developers, if you can call the disgraceful charlatans and unscrupulous speculators that run the construction world here so, would rather pay a quack a pittance to do a mockery of a design for them, even when they intend to spend tens (if not hundreds) of millions of shillings on the actual construction of a building. In deed even the president himself once said Architects are too expensive for most Kenyans, which by itself amounts to a sanctioning of jua kali developments if you ask me.

The results of this attitude by the moneyed, that professionals can be dispensed with in the building processes, and the fact that the rest of the country can neither afford nor even care to know what role professionals play in construction, are not limited to the impoverishment of the highly skilled and properly qualified professionals, they also have seen the the springing up of unsightly to downright hideous and dangerous buildings which are more often than not illegally put up (with a council officer once telling me some construction sites are only active after dusk to dawn when officers are a slumber) In instances where the lethargic, and often complicit, City Council has tried to step in and order demolitions or stop ongoing unsanctioned developments, friends of the powerful, and who are supposed custodians of law and justice in our courts, have promptly stepped in to protect the accused with favourable rulings.

Of course these issues are only brought into focus when a tragedy occurs and lives are lost in collapse of buildings, such as happened in Langata and Embakasi recently, and Nyamakima and Kiambu a while back. Which is why I was not at all surprised to read this in the daily Nation:


“The building that collapsed in Embakasi killing at least four people had been earmarked for demolition by the City Council two years ago.
The developer of the building however moved to court stopping the demolition resulting to a battle whose climax was a court order that Town Clerk Philip Kisia be committed to 21 days civil jail.
Mr Kisia was at pains on Thursday, to explain the council’s efforts to stop the construction of the house in Pipeline estate.
The clerk further sent alarm over other illegal buildings in Embakasi-Pipeline, Kahawa West Phase II, Tassia, Umoja Zone 8 and 9, Kayole, Roysambu and Mwiki and cautioned tenants against occupying them.
He said council employees had been blocked from inspecting construction work in the estates by illegal gangs.”

How can we really expect better building standards if projects are done by charlatans or built without any drawings whatsoever, if outlawed gangs run sites instead of foremen, if criminals and gangsters build houses instead of developers, and if these tragedies are forgotten in a day and we carry on living in our precarious high-rise death traps because it has not happened to us?

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They front religious, but their heart is empty. Like a televangelist preaching out of his bentley

Pampered televangelists, in their bespoke suits, praying for the death of those they count among the sheep; seeking divine help to expedite the orphanhood of children, who are innocent and whom christians are called to become like if they are to see the very kingdom that their– the preachers– constant plugging keeps them in fuel guzzlers and heavenly mansions; cursing in prayer and pronouncing afflictions on wives of men who obey orders and enforce law as a duty. What a shame that we have come to this.

“I ruku musupuu, I ruku muyang’i, I ruku musupuu” ~ Apostle James Ng’ang’a…

First off all, you’re not an apostle:

apostle: n    noun. 1    (Apostle) each of the twelve chief disciples of Jesus Christ. Øan important early Christian teacher or missionary. 2    a vigorous and pioneering supporter of an idea or cause.

Then a so-called tolerant and forgiving man of the cloth goes in with this vengeful curse of a prayer: “Wanawe na wawe yatima, na mukewe awe mjane, kutangatanga na watangetange wanawe kama machokoraa, na kusihi kusikose siku zote katika hiyo nyumba mtu atakaye kuwa anaokwa na damu siku zote”

So this is the gospel we preach in Kenya now? Is the church above earthly laws that they can disobey city council by-laws and then pray for the death of those who enforce them? And then they wonder why they are no longer taken seriously by any right thinking person, as is clear from the crushing defeat at the constitution referendum (where they tried to throw in the usual bogeymen of Islamic law being forced on Kenya, women being given abortion on demand and homosexual and gay marriages being legalised), I also hope they lose their ridiculous attempt to block the ascension of Willy Mutunga to the helm of Kenya’s judiciary with their feeble family values excuse that is based on nothing more than an ear stud.

Looks like we forgot that Jesus taught that we should: “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

Here’s a clip of the Church’s demolition and the “Bull’s Eye” segment where they spoke curses against the city council employees:

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Moi has no place in this constitutional debate….

Transcript of a facebook debate on Moi’s meddling with the CoE draft:

Dan Toro

Baba wa taifa

where else in the world does a retired president go around undermining and lambasting a sitting president and government? Especially being a man whom the rest of the world treats with the contempt he deserves. Not even Bush does that to Obama? MO1 opposing the draft is by itself enough reason to vote YES

Okechukwu TheDon at 11:38 yesterday
True dat

Man Mao at 11:51 yesterday
that’s the silliest thing ever. it’s like saying uhuru supporting the draft is reason enough to vote no.

are you voting for the contents of the document or personalities?

Mwalyo Ndulu at 11:52 yesterday
empty head!!is he not supposed to express his opinion.

Eugene Murenjekha at 12:17 yesterday
wachaneni na wes. he has a point. there are some people who are too repulsive to imagine sharing with them an opinion, and for me, moi is it. uhuru, to paraphrase a coleague is unarmed with wits, so he doesnt count.

Wes at 12:20 yesterday
the silliest thing ever is you two deluded sheeple coming onto my status telling me about empty headedness when you don’t even get my point, I was in fact considering not even dignifying your asinine knee-jerk reactions but you give me no options but to force feed you common sense. Moi opposing the draft is not about personality, it’s about why, if you sit in a committee of wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for lunch, does it not matter then that the wolves would have a unanimous decision, you think a despot opposes a constitution because he loves you or the God you claim to worship and who’s name you soil in a fight to hold on to ill-gotten vast swathes of land ripped out of the hands of those displaced by colonialists the precursors of whom were your revered missionaries, you think it’s a good look to show your teeth and dance at rallies for MO1 and his ilk while they protect their loot and you walk to your hovel with the promise of heavenly miracles while your televangelists and Rutos and Jirongos drive off in the earthly miracles of vogues and Kompressors. Get your heads out of your nether regions and open your eyes. MO1 is not your friend, the enemy of my enemy is a friend, the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
PS: The reason a dog has so many friends is that he he’s quick to wag his tail instead of his tongue.

Man Mao at 12:21 yesterday
@eugene: uhuru’s family represents land grabbers worldwide… so when they tell you land reforms are coming it’s amazing that you believe them!

Innocent Induli at 12:24 yesterday
How can one abandon their child for others to raise then after 24 yrs u stand infront of people to tell them the child isnt wearing Armani …

Man Mao at 12:30 yesterday
@wes: there.you are still silly.

i am not voting no BECAUSE OF MOI OR ANYONE ELSE. i’m voting no because I HAVE READ THE DRAFT AND BELIEVE ITS POOR! period.

you on the other hand want to vote yes coz of moi. very silly indeed.

Eugene Murenjekha at 12:34 yesterday
as i said, uhuru is a non starter in the mental gymnastics that are our politics. as the draft says, such lands acquired illegally shall be repossesed, and if uhuru is forved to support the draft and silently plot for its failure then so be it, for it will pass and the lands will be returned. meanwhile whats ur beef?

Mwalyo Ndulu at 12:35 yesterday
My point still stands!empty head!!am voting on issues not personalities.save ur silly village argument to ur villagemates .

Man Mao at 12:39 yesterday
@eugene: ati ‘such lands acquired illegally shall be repossesed’ HAHAHA! who tells you kenyatta’s land is classified as ILLEGAL?

you will be sooo shocked when you vote yes and the kenyattas ,mois and delameres still retain ‘their’ very legal land. they have TITLES to it!

hapo hakuna land reform ya mtu!

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 12:49 yesterday
you Einsteins do not even comprehend simple grammar, I’m at a loss as to whether it’s even justified that I have to break down what was a rhetorical statement. SMH! I said Moi opposing the draft is by itself enough reason to vote YES, did I say that is the reason I’ll vote YES, did I even say what am voting? Can you grasp the simple notion that besides the very strong reasons to vote yes, the revolting characters propping the NO side are by themselves enough reason to question yourself even if you thought you had a good reason to oppose this draft, were the devil to say tomorrow he is opposing the draft will you two ignoramuses open your pie holes to tell me about personalities? You think policies and issues are not shaped by personalities? You think when I look to one side and see personalities who have fought for and paid dues for reform and on the other side I see a clergy that has been anti-reform since the dark ages and characters who detained and maimed those who sought reform, how hard is it to tell which side is, and has always been, anti-reform?

I didn’t wish to turn this into an ad hominem rant, but you two MO1 pawns are the dumb and dumber of this thread, I want to see that you have the guts to lay a premise for your hot air and not throw epithets and harp on a line I keep breaking down for you. You come at me you better be prepared, otherwise I will keep lifting up your skirts to expose you little whining girls. Idiots….

Eugene Murenjekha at 12:56 yesterday
iza wes, you will bust a vein arguing with these fools, who, clearly will bring down to their level and beat you with experience. hauwezi funza watu wengine.

Mwalyo Ndulu at 12:58 yesterday
A rattled,silly, empty head at its best!!I regret bringing masef down to ur level of empty rhetorics n verbatim.enuff empty head.

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 13:07 yesterday
besides having made no point to advancey your position whatsoever, that ish you just wrote didn’t even make sense; what is maself? what is empty verbatim? The only thing you seem to keep mentioning is empty headedness, were you told that a lot growing up?

Man Mao at 13:14 yesterday
@ wes: this is my beef with you… you said :

‘ MO1 opposing the draft is by itself enough reason to vote YES’

NO IT IS NOT! period! don’t even try to justify that statement. it makes ZERO SENSE.

look at THE DRAFT, not at the people opposing or defending it.period.

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 13:16 yesterday
@Eugene, don’t worry about it, am having fun exposing this lames, it feels dirty tearing their little masks off to expose their clueless dazed visage but I’m remorseless cauz they walked into my house and insulted me to my face first, I just want to see how long it will be before they delete their threads and run off in shame to cry in their little corners

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 13:25 yesterday
@Mao, do I really have to explain this again? MO1 isn’t just a person, he is an a retired president who stood for something, that something was an anti-reformist stance and violent suppression of those who sought reform, if the mere fact this are the strange bedfellows you have on your side isn’t reason enough to question your stand then I really can only conclude you’re voting on faith/fear or you have a closed mind regarding the issue. I’m not saying anyone should vote NO because of MO1, but in the event someone was to come out of a coma on August 4th a minute to the close of polling and had to ask one question and he asked who is supporting Yes and was told Raila, Orengo, Ngilu, Shikuku, Kiraitu, Karua, Gibson Kuria, Muite and then was told NO was fronted by MO1, Ruto, Jirongo, Kalembe etc really what conclusion would you have him reach?

Man Mao at 13:34 yesterday
unless his brain was affected , the coma victim’s first question should be WHAT DOES THE DRAFT SAY REGARDING (insert area of choice)….

who is supporting what is IMMATERIAL, FOREVER!

Simbili Martins at 13:44 yesterday
@wes. You’ve made ur point. Washana na hii kubaff mbili Mao na Mwalya or silly na empty-head respectively. Its like playin jazz guitar to two goats. We hav a date on 4th. We shud be reading article 262 of the draft instead: Transitional &consequential provisions .

Muchai Wa Kamau at 13:47 yesterday
Wes, i pity you. Never hav a battle of wits with unarmed opponents….I think its a NO diversional tactic to dwell on the unsaid n clearly ignore the fact at hand. its not about MO1 as a human but ‘as wisely put by the guy who mentioned an Armani above’. YES.

Man Mao at 13:47 yesterday
@simbili : you said ‘We shud be reading article ….’

tha’s the only sensible thing you said. WE SHOULD ALL BE READING AND DEBATING THE DRAFT!

not having petty arguments about sijui who is on which side!

plus this draft EXTENDS BEYOND THE 4TH and into the lives of FUTURE GENERATIONS! so there is nothing special about the 4th, but beyond is special!

Man Mao at 13:59 yesterday
i sincerely hope you are voting YES because you have READ the thing and believe it is BENEFICIAL…

including the clause on ECONOMIC DEVOLUTION and PRIVATE AND COMMUNAL LAND TENURE (among many other clauses that are full of loopholes).

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 13:59 yesterday
unfortunately that is not how it works, ideally it should be so but it’s not, even some groupd oppose sections of the draft based on personal feelings/beliefs or because of a personality they aspire to emulate that they call God, now personality by definition is:

personality
• n. (pl. personalities)
1 the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual’s distinctive character.

So is God, Satan, Budha, Allah a personality? Do their opinions matter? Does Hitler’s support for something Mandela opposes matter?

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 14:09 yesterday
and no am not voting for the draft because MO1 opposes it, but the fact he does tells me I made the right decision, if the retired president were to suddenly begin supporting the document then regardless of what I believe I have understood I would have to go over the document with a fine toothcomb to make sure there was no trap, in reverse, MO1 and his thieving anti-reform cronies affirm my belief in the choice I have made, just as it would be very re-assuring to know what opinion the evil one and the loving one have on this document

Man Mao at 14:15 yesterday
hahahaha! i still don’t think it’s a strong bbasis for opposing the thing.

did you know the old man is a STRICT teetotaler? that’s like saying you will start drinking in protest of this!

anyway, i’m voting NO because i do not believe in economic devolution or in private and communal ownership of land.

if moi changes camp tomorrow, i STILL wont believe in the aforementioned so i’ll still vote NO!

Tim Alala at 14:45 yesterday
Sema Wes, i see you still being misunderstood. one thing you have to understand is that you first point if not understood and on seconds they stil do not and hang on literally to every word you say be it rhetorical or euphemistic….wachana nao. any way hope you good. what are you up to nowadays since the funny days of bush

Andrew Munya at 14:52 yesterday
@Man Mao what would you rather have instead of ‘ economic devolution or private and communal ownership of land?’

Christopher Naicca at 14:53 yesterday
i was having a tough day but this thread just made my day! Good thing is i know all participants here can take a punch!

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 15:04 yesterday
Sema Tim, mimi niko tu, Architect huku Nairobi and facebook activist.

Mao, just thought I’d bring up the fact in addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker, Adolf Hitler is often said to have practiced some form of vegetarianism, so what does that say for teetotallers? And yeah, Churchill was a pipe-smoking drunk.

Andrew Munya at 15:06 yesterday
Ndulu and Mao: aint a fan of politics! matter of fact i could care less about the constitution and reform, having been raised under moi’s rule for the better half of my life and seeing what went down during those times. i was going to vote ‘NO’ until i heard Mo1’s stand. For to me, MO1 is not a pesronality. Mo1 is an ideology and the epitome of what true democracy and reform rejects. So i asked myself, what is the best use i can put this vote to? to say ‘no’ alongside mo1 or to say ‘yes’ in protest of his ideology?

Kinoti Nyangi at 15:42 yesterday
-[sigh]-

Michael Rajula Adimo at 15:46 yesterday
quote of the day “and no am not voting for the draft because MO1 opposes it, but the fact he does tells me I made the right decision, if the retired president were to suddenly begin supporting the document then regardless of what I believe I have understood I would have to go over the document with a fine toothcomb to make sure there was no trap, in reverse, MO1 and his thieving anti-reform cronies affirm my belief in the choice I have made, just as it would be very re-assuring to know what opinion the evil one and the loving one have on this document” Wesley Ng’ang’a Asubwa 2010.

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 15:48 yesterday
In Nation online today “Moi answers Kibaki on Constitution”http://www.nation.co.ke/Referendum/Moi%20answers%20Kibaki%20on%20Constitution/-/926046/966280/-/w4kpnm/-/index.html :
Moi has said Kibaki has no right to criticise him as he promised Kenyans a new constitution within 100 days of assuming power in 2002 but that had yet to happen, eight years later… SO IF WE VOTE NO AS MOI WANTS US TO THAT WILL PROVE WHAT? THAT WE’D RATHER CUT OFF OUR NOSES TO SPITE OUR FACES? HOW MANY YEARS DID MOI HAVE TO DELIVER EVEN MINIMUM REFORMS? GTFOUH WITH THAT BS!

Ken ‘mugzoh’ Mugane at 16:13 yesterday
now that i have stopped laughing, let me say i will vote yes coz of this status!!!!

Mwalyo Ndulu at 16:23 yesterday
i can only laugh to wat wes thread has generated to….

Man Mao at 17:17 yesterday
all voting YES because of moi ARE NOT WISE !

30 years from now, when your kids ask you

‘dad/mum,why did you vote in a faulty constitution that is still screwing us up today?’

you will tell them ‘ it was because moi was in the no camp’.

then they will ask you ‘WHO THE HELL IS MOI AND WHERE IS HE NOW’?

what will be your reply then??????

jisomee, jiamulie, jichagulie. moi is not mentioned ANYWHERE IN THAT DRAFT! why is he an issue?????

Ken ‘mugzoh’ Mugane at 17:38 yesterday
Wes some of your pals are quite retarded if i dare say so myself!!

Kinoti Nyangi at 18:23 yesterday
-[deep sigh]-

Simbili Martins at 18:34 yesterday
Find Riz khan (aljazeera) on facebook on this debate. Lets brainstorm pple. @Mao @Mwalyo: u are doomed. What kind of intellect is that. U are just clever fools @Wes : kudos!

Man Mao at 18:44 yesterday
HAHAHAHA! i have given my reasons for voting no.(poor land policy and anti economic devoluion) THEY DO NOT INVOLVE ANY PERSONALITIES.

you are all yet to give your reasons for voting yes WITHOUT INVOLVING A PERSONALITY….

judge for yourself who between us is retarded 🙂

matusi tu ndio mnajua kutupa lakini sababu za ku-vote yes HAMNA!

wes why are you voting yes? what is your stand on the land policy and on economic devolution?

Gituma Nturibi at 18:46 yesterday
LOL si Moi alisema hamtamsahau?

Man Mao at 18:48 yesterday
let’s remove the mois and odingas from this debate and go to THE DOCUMENT ITSELF! then you tell us WHY YOU ARE VOTING YES and then read above WHY I AM VOTING NO.

you will soon realise the draft is not a REFORMIST DOCUMENT like it is made to appear!

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 20:43 yesterday
I’m voting yes because I would still vote yes for anything even 10% better than now, who the hell refuses a 95% improvement on something using issues on which a consensus will never be achieved? How do you believe sectarian and parochial even whimsical demands by religious zealots, politically conservative wingnuts and irrelevant senile dinosaurs can be reconciled with progressive ideals? Even a simple poll of those contributing here will tell you what a majority of right thinking people have decided. There are bits of the draft I’d rather were more liberal but you don’t see me throwing a hissy fit demanding all or nothing. What happens if you defeat this constitution, you win what? Zero sum game.

Alex Gachanja at 21:22 yesterday
kudos Wes….. cant teach a fool. washana nao

Man Mao at 13:59
there lies your error!

you are comparing the draft TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENT! who asked you to?

i am comparing the draft to AN IMPROVED DRAFT. yaani if i vote no we will be forced to IMPROVE THIS DRAFT, not STICK TO THE OLD DOCUMENT! who wants the old document anyway.

now give us GENUINE REASONS for voting yes… that one isn’t solid at all

Man Mao at 18:44 yesterday
HAHAHAHA! i have given my reasons for voting no.(poor land policy and anti economic devoluion) THEY DO NOT INVOLVE ANY PERSONALITIES.

you are all yet to give your reasons for voting yes WITHOUT INVOLVING A PERSONALITY….

judge for yourself who between us is retarded 🙂

matusi tu ndio mnajua kutupa lakini sababu za ku-vote yes HAMNA!

wes why are you voting yes? what is your stand on the land policy and on economic devolution?

Gituma Nturibi at 18:46 yesterday
LOL si Moi alisema hamtamsahau?

Man Mao at 18:48 yesterday
let’s remove the mois and odingas from this debate and go to THE DOCUMENT ITSELF! then you tell us WHY YOU ARE VOTING YES and then read above WHY I AM VOTING NO.

you will soon realise the draft is not a REFORMIST DOCUMENT like it is made to appear!

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 20:43 yesterday
I’m voting yes because I would still vote yes for anything even 10% better than now, who the hell refuses a 95% improvement on something using issues on which a consensus will never be achieved? How do you believe sectarian and parochial even whimsical demands by religious zealots, politically conservative wingnuts and irrelevant senile dinosaurs can be reconciled with progressive ideals? Even a simple poll of those contributing here will tell you what a majority of right thinking people have decided. There are bits of the draft I’d rather were more liberal but you don’t see me throwing a hissy fit demanding all or nothing. What happens if you defeat this constitution, you win what? Zero sum game.

Alex Gachanja at 21:22 yesterday
kudos Wes….. cant teach a fool. washana nao

Man Mao at 13:59
there lies your error!

you are comparing the draft TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENT! who asked you to?

i am comparing the draft to AN IMPROVED DRAFT. yaani if i vote no we will be forced to IMPROVE THIS DRAFT, not STICK TO THE OLD DOCUMENT! who wants the old document anyway.

now give us GENUINE REASONS for voting yes… that one isn’t solid at all.

Wes Ng’ang’a Asubwa at 14:44
No, you’re fooling yourself, what improved document are you comparing it to, as a matter of fact who says that whatever problems you have with the draft are the same ones everyone is in agreement with? I don’t like abortion on demand, but I believe I have no right to dictate women’s productive rights issues, I like devolution and I especially like the new land laws which you say you don’t, so how would a new better document look like, how would it accomodate things we disagree on? I have no problem with Kadhi courts, the clergy does, if they get their way in another document what does that mean for me and for muslims who use this court? How exactly would you liket the draft improved and what makes you think the things you’ll be “improving” wont be seen as worsening in other people’s views? Besides we can only compare a proposal to what exists, we can’t compare it to an utopian concept of 100% consensus, if such a thing were even possible then there wouldn’t be a need for a referendum at all. If at all you agree with me that this document is a much better one than what we have and you are aware that there is actually no constitutional framework in place for any other document, improved or not, to be tabled , you should no doubt refrain from wanting to throw out the baby with the bathwater. IF WE LET THIS CHANCE TO ENACT A NEW CONSTITUTION PASS, IT WILL BE YEARS, IF EVER, BEFORE WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE.

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